I have no interest in continuing the debate over what people think date rape is. This is a movie website, so let’s focus on movies. Thanks.

Jenny, I hate you.

You are very wrong. You may consent to any number of things when you are intoxicated. The ONLY thing that matters is the OTHER persons HONEST and REASONABLE belief that you have, in fact, consented and their reliance upon that consent.

Now please, for the love of God,

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Anna Farris’s character is in and out of conscousness. She can’t walk of her own accord. I’ve known people to say all kinds of shit in that state, so waking up in the middle of sex and yelling “fucker don’t stop” doesnt make the grade for consent. Having sex with someone in that state is just wrong. At best, it’s irresponsible and ill considered.

Thematically the scene doesn’t make sense if it’s not rape. It’s about his dellussion smacking into reality. About his character mistaking this pathetic display for romance. His character has to cross a line there. A line in morality, and a line in sanity.

It reminds me of a different problem I had where my girlfriend (different girl from before) couldn’t get enough of the taste of my cum.
As you can imagine it became a real hassle. Your thoughts?

Last week I ran in Stacy, we barely knew each other except for work functions, but found ourselves alone at Club Louie waiting on friends. It was odd because I felt some energy between us before and tonight, with both of us dress to the nines, the energy was really strong. I think she felt it too. Anyway, we started talking about our mutual friends and really got in to drinking and gossiping. We were separated when our perspective parities arrived, but I could tell that she was disappointed not to continue the encounter. We had dinner and during desert I thought I saw Stacy watching me from across the room. Anyway, the two parties happened to meet at the coat check a few hours later and everyone was really feeling the affects of Club Louie’s wine cellar. I almost fell over the ushers rope helping the ladies with their coats. After flagging some cabs for all of the parents in the group, geesh, Stacy and I appeared to be the only ones left. We decided to head across the street to this dance club. It was really loud and crazy. So crazy we ended up hitting on a joint with a buddy of mine in the DJs green room. Long story short, I find myself at Stacy’s at like 3 in the morning. We start messing around on the couch and I’m suprised how drunk and sloppy we are getting. I mean my face is cover with Stacy’s saliva. She leads me back to room and after falling over a stack of old vinyls I find myself grinding on a girl I never would have believed would give me the time of day 8 hours ago. We are like half naked, half dressed when Stacy says “Fuck me.” I did as best I could but it had to be some of the lousest, whisky dick sex I have ever had.

The next morning I awake to Stacy yelling at me to get F out! It was a real horror show, she was throwing stuff at me and her roommate was dialing the cops. I tried to talk to her but it became apparent I should just get out of the apartment to at least get her to stop yelling.

A few days later I realized what Stacy was yelling about during my morning hangover, “You raped me you F’in bastard!” I know this because I just received a bunch of emails from mutual friends stating that she is pressing charges.

So Jenny, is this rape?

“rehash” makes it sound like you addressed it once. Last time you “responded” by giving us all a lesson in the history of censorship in a post that was as relevant as it was thoughtful and well researched.

If there’s an(1) example of Liz calling for censorship then you’re right and I’ll apologize. Otherwise you’re wrong. It’s really simple.

It’s up to the judges to decide wether or not anyone was taking advantage of anything. It sucks that women feel that a scene that is clearly between two aware and willing participants is a date rape, simply because the woman is inebriated. Obviously she acknowledges the sex, and encourages it. How can you hold it against a man to do it then? It’s not like he is being violent towards her.

“How are we men supposed to define were the woman should not be trusted in her judgment!?” If a women is unconscious and vomiting (Like in the observe and report scene) it is a sign that she will not be able to make clear conscious choice about consenting.

Also “Explain this view to all of the men that have been wrongly accused, prosecuted of date rape across the world and have lost their job, standing, visitation rights to their children, etc.” Just how many men do you think this is? I’m sure you have an anecdotal example of this, but how many men does this actually happen to? It is difficult to find concrete data as there are studies that say 2% and some that say 40%. But this fact really shouldn’t add anything to the argument about date rape anyway. People are falsely accused of murder but that doesn’t mean that we don’t take murder cases seriously. We shouldn’t stop persecuting criminals just because some people are falsely accused.

We are part of a culture in which rape is the only crime where we can ask questions about the victim’s involvement. If someone was robbed we don’t say “Oh well they left their doors unlocked/ lived in a bad neighborhood, so they deserved what they got. In a society where a study on junior high school students showed that 25% of boys and 16% of girls said a man had a right to rape a woman if he spent money on the first date and 65% of boys and 47% of girls thought rape was ok if the couple had been dating for 6 months (statistics from “Gender, Race and Class In Media”), we need to understand that as a culture our views of rape need to be seriously readjusted.

And when you talk about what feminists want, you’re slightly off there too. Feminists do not want the same power that men have, they want a system and a culture that does not judge people based on their gender/sexual orientation/skin color/ ethnicity or religion. Instead they want a system that allows people to be judged on their merits with equal opportunity for everyone. They would like women to be able to go out to a bar, get drunk and not get violated by anyone, no matter how drunk she is or who she slept with before or how she is dressed that night. Men’s power is not given to them because they deserve it or because they act more responsible. Why do men automatically gain this power and authority and women have to earn it?