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	<title>Comments on: Treknobabble #58: I Have a Mouth and I Must Sue</title>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Farrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I take it that you&#039;re not a fan of Mr. Ellison, Ed M.? I don&#039;t think I knew that he wrote for &quot;The Flying Nun.&quot;

I&#039;ve read some good things about the recent documentary, &quot;Harlan Ellison: Dreams With Sharp Teeth,&quot; that I&#039;m eager to watch one day. I didn&#039;t realize that his house is supposedly full of crap like my house, but probably better crap. Film Junk should package some video versions of Cantankerous with &quot;Reed&#039;s House The Video Tour&quot; and call it, &quot;Reed Farrington: Dreams with Dull Mind.&quot; I wonder if Mr. Ellison would sue.

I&#039;m still waiting to read about what Mr. Ellison thinks of the latest Star Trek movie. And yes, I&#039;m looking for some validation regarding my negative opinion of the movie. Mr. Ellison would no doubt be more incisive in his criticisms. If anyone does come across this, please let me know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I take it that you&#8217;re not a fan of Mr. Ellison, Ed M.? I don&#8217;t think I knew that he wrote for &#8220;The Flying Nun.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read some good things about the recent documentary, &#8220;Harlan Ellison: Dreams With Sharp Teeth,&#8221; that I&#8217;m eager to watch one day. I didn&#8217;t realize that his house is supposedly full of crap like my house, but probably better crap. Film Junk should package some video versions of Cantankerous with &#8220;Reed&#8217;s House The Video Tour&#8221; and call it, &#8220;Reed Farrington: Dreams with Dull Mind.&#8221; I wonder if Mr. Ellison would sue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still waiting to read about what Mr. Ellison thinks of the latest Star Trek movie. And yes, I&#8217;m looking for some validation regarding my negative opinion of the movie. Mr. Ellison would no doubt be more incisive in his criticisms. If anyone does come across this, please let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reed-

More vitriol!  More lambasting! More hyperbole!

H.G. Wells&#039; estate should sue Ellison! 

Although I&#039;m surprise Harlan didn&#039;t sue the makers of the most recently filmed version of &quot;The Time Machine&quot; because they used his name, spoken by a computer avatar  [in an early scene in the New York City Library] without HE&#039;s permission.

The man from Painville, Ohio.  (A city that should sue him for using part of its name in his story &quot;Paingod&quot; without their permission.)

Rodenberry improved Ellison&#039;s original &quot;City&quot; script, which was a non-Star Trek-oriented story, and made it an iconic tale instead of the cranky squirt of edginess that Harlan wanted.

Don&#039;t write for established characters if you don&#039;t respect their perameters.  

It would be as absurd as writing a &quot;The Flying Nun&quot; episode (which Ellison did, under a pseudonym) and making the sister a pole dancer or cat burglar (which he didn&#039;t).

Harlan has a mouth, and it usually screams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reed-</p>
<p>More vitriol!  More lambasting! More hyperbole!</p>
<p>H.G. Wells&#8217; estate should sue Ellison! </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m surprise Harlan didn&#8217;t sue the makers of the most recently filmed version of &#8220;The Time Machine&#8221; because they used his name, spoken by a computer avatar  [in an early scene in the New York City Library] without HE&#8217;s permission.</p>
<p>The man from Painville, Ohio.  (A city that should sue him for using part of its name in his story &#8220;Paingod&#8221; without their permission.)</p>
<p>Rodenberry improved Ellison&#8217;s original &#8220;City&#8221; script, which was a non-Star Trek-oriented story, and made it an iconic tale instead of the cranky squirt of edginess that Harlan wanted.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t write for established characters if you don&#8217;t respect their perameters.  </p>
<p>It would be as absurd as writing a &#8220;The Flying Nun&#8221; episode (which Ellison did, under a pseudonym) and making the sister a pole dancer or cat burglar (which he didn&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Harlan has a mouth, and it usually screams.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Farrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bas, thx for your comment.

Project Genesis, I just reread the section in Joan Collins&#039; book about Star Trek. (The index just lists actors, so the Star Trek stuff is actually under William Shatner.) She&#039;s mistaken on two accounts. In the episode she is in, she thinks her character was on Hitler&#039;s side, but she was involved in a pacifist movement that allowed Hitler to win the war. Her character would have been less sympathetic if the audience had thought she sympathized with Hitler. And she said this episode was the only episode where Kirk fell in love. Kirk fell in love with an android woman in &quot;Requiem for Methuselah.&quot; (Out of compassion at the end, Spock used a mind-meld to wipe the memories of her from his brain.) She said that she had heard rumors that Shatner tried to bed most of the leading ladies, but she said she did not succumb to his charms. She didn&#039;t say anything about a toupee, but she did say that he must have worn 3&quot; lifts in his boots to make him taller on Star Trek.

Paul, thx for your correction although technically, they do disintegrate when you remove the necklace so it&#039;s still stupid in my opinion. I&#039;ll have to rewatch Soldier. I think you&#039;re right about that episode being mentioned in the lawsuit. In my opinion, Ellison&#039;s Outer Limits&#039; episodes were somewhat terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bas, thx for your comment.</p>
<p>Project Genesis, I just reread the section in Joan Collins&#8217; book about Star Trek. (The index just lists actors, so the Star Trek stuff is actually under William Shatner.) She&#8217;s mistaken on two accounts. In the episode she is in, she thinks her character was on Hitler&#8217;s side, but she was involved in a pacifist movement that allowed Hitler to win the war. Her character would have been less sympathetic if the audience had thought she sympathized with Hitler. And she said this episode was the only episode where Kirk fell in love. Kirk fell in love with an android woman in &#8220;Requiem for Methuselah.&#8221; (Out of compassion at the end, Spock used a mind-meld to wipe the memories of her from his brain.) She said that she had heard rumors that Shatner tried to bed most of the leading ladies, but she said she did not succumb to his charms. She didn&#8217;t say anything about a toupee, but she did say that he must have worn 3&#8243; lifts in his boots to make him taller on Star Trek.</p>
<p>Paul, thx for your correction although technically, they do disintegrate when you remove the necklace so it&#8217;s still stupid in my opinion. I&#8217;ll have to rewatch Soldier. I think you&#8217;re right about that episode being mentioned in the lawsuit. In my opinion, Ellison&#8217;s Outer Limits&#8217; episodes were somewhat terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Terminator. It&#039;s actually a combination of episodes, the first being &quot;demon with a glass hand&quot; and &quot;Soldier&quot;, where two soldiers go back in time. Demon is actually a really cool story and they don&#039;t disintegrate when the necklace is pulled off. The necklace keeps them anchored in the past so they return to the hellish future when it&#039;s removed. 

Like him or hate him, Ellison has stood up for writer&#039;s rights and I actually have to agree with a lot of what he has to say. His main argument is that a writer should be paid for their work even if it&#039;s just a little bit.

&quot;He even dislikes the habit of people allowing interviews to be used as DVD extras without being paid.&quot; When he spoke about this, he made the good point that Warner Brothers isn&#039;t so hard up for cash that they can&#039;t afford to give you a little something for your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Terminator. It&#8217;s actually a combination of episodes, the first being &#8220;demon with a glass hand&#8221; and &#8220;Soldier&#8221;, where two soldiers go back in time. Demon is actually a really cool story and they don&#8217;t disintegrate when the necklace is pulled off. The necklace keeps them anchored in the past so they return to the hellish future when it&#8217;s removed. </p>
<p>Like him or hate him, Ellison has stood up for writer&#8217;s rights and I actually have to agree with a lot of what he has to say. His main argument is that a writer should be paid for their work even if it&#8217;s just a little bit.</p>
<p>&#8220;He even dislikes the habit of people allowing interviews to be used as DVD extras without being paid.&#8221; When he spoke about this, he made the good point that Warner Brothers isn&#8217;t so hard up for cash that they can&#8217;t afford to give you a little something for your work.</p>
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		<title>By: ProjectGenesis</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProjectGenesis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always loved the Ellison story “Repent Harlequin Said The Ticktockman”— especially since I read it in High School where there was always a stiff penalty for being ‘late’ to class or to sports practice. If we were late to class, we weren’t allowed to attend and sent to the “holding cell” for the hour. I always thought that was an insane. Reed, I remember a Cantankerous episode where you mentioned buying Joan Collins’ autobiography in the 25 cents bin just read what she said about this episode. Did she say anything interesting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always loved the Ellison story “Repent Harlequin Said The Ticktockman”— especially since I read it in High School where there was always a stiff penalty for being ‘late’ to class or to sports practice. If we were late to class, we weren’t allowed to attend and sent to the “holding cell” for the hour. I always thought that was an insane. Reed, I remember a Cantankerous episode where you mentioned buying Joan Collins’ autobiography in the 25 cents bin just read what she said about this episode. Did she say anything interesting?</p>
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		<title>By: Bas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting read, Farrington! Ellison has obviously had an influence on sci-fi. It&#039;s not unreasonable to seek compensation if you feel that a studio owes you money and I suppose the judge will apply the law as it should be applied. He does sound like a grumpy old dude, though! And if he had a problem with the collaborative nature of television he should have stuck to writing novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting read, Farrington! Ellison has obviously had an influence on sci-fi. It&#8217;s not unreasonable to seek compensation if you feel that a studio owes you money and I suppose the judge will apply the law as it should be applied. He does sound like a grumpy old dude, though! And if he had a problem with the collaborative nature of television he should have stuck to writing novels.</p>
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