Film Junk Podcast Episode #207: Friday the 13th and Waltz with Bashir
0:00 – Intro / Live Oscar Podcast
5:40 – Joaquin Phoenix
15:35 – What We Watched: Hell’s Kitchen, Swingers, Step Brothers, The Wrestler, Nick and Norah’s Infinite Playlist, Blindness, Underworld: Rise of the Lycans, Futurama: Into the Wild Green Yonder, Kitchen Nightmares, Man on Wire, Police Story 2, Where Eagles Dare, When Borat Came To Town, The Trials of Ted Haggard, Slumdog Millionaire, Frost/Nixon, Friday the 13th: Part 2, Dollhouse, The Funhouse, Roving Mars, Turkey Shoot, The Ipcress File, Near Dark
1:05:05 – Top 5: Most Romantic Horror Movies
1:11:40 – Review: Friday the 13th
1:22:50 – Review: Waltz with Bashir
1:32:25 – Trailer Trash: Inglourious Basterds, The Taking of Pelham 123, The People vs George Lucas
1:57:58 – This Week’s DVD Releases
1:59:30 – Outro
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Nice! I get to listen before going to bed
You guys sure did watch a lot of shit! 
Posted by AdamH on February 17th, 2009i started listening a month ago,you guys are truly great at this,very entertaining!! keep em coming,and props to jay,he knows his stuff.
cheers
Posted by joshb on February 17th, 2009“and props to jay,he knows his stuff.”
Well.. He likes to think he does!
Posted by AdamH on February 17th, 2009Jay came together like rarely before in the awesome tony scott rant.
Tarantino says there are two kinds of filmlovers: The ones who love films, and the ones who only love the films that they love. I’m the latter.
Posted by Henrik on February 17th, 2009Great show, but how could you all forget the most romantic horror film of all time, The Phantom of the Opera?
Posted by ottobud on February 17th, 2009Good point… I’ve never seen any of the actual movie versions personally.
Posted by Sean on February 17th, 2009great episode!!
Posted by cronenfly on February 17th, 2009In response to Jay’s “Pelham Defense” (sounds like a movie in and of itself). Why call it Pelham123 at all? I assume they pay liscensing fees for these titles and get the ‘name’, but in this case how much is that going to matter to the bottem line. I can certainly see Michael Mann using the Miami Vice (a very well known property) name to fund his much more ambitious film (a good example of an art film and blockbuster all in one)
And what makes you think that The Prestige wouldn’t have been a better film without Nolan doing Batman? All these things are arbitrary. Aren’t they?
In terms of the Jazz or Blues metahpor for each director putting a stamp on staple tropes, I’ve got no problem with this (In particular, the Alien Franchise, Shakespeare adaptations, Dracula). It just seems that Pelham is such a ‘random’ choice for this. Tony Scott has a big job ahead of him, because Pelham123 is the basic template of Diehard, and inspired the famous ‘colour names’ for Reservoir Dogs, and the ‘big city terrorist/robbery’ film from has been done so often at this point from Dog Day Afternoon to Speed to Diehard 4. I don’t hate it because it is a popcorn movie, I hate it because it reeks of a stale popcorn movie. I’d be happy to be wrong on this and that something interesting and passionate is done with the story. The trailer certainly does not give that impression.
Posted by Kurt on February 17th, 2009“And what makes you think that The Prestige wouldn’t have been a better film without Nolan doing Batman?”
His argument has nothing to do with the quality of films. It has to do with the politics of the movie business.
Posted by Henrik on February 17th, 2009I understand that, Henrik. I’m just saying if the politics allowed The Prestige to have a $20M budget or a $5M Budget instead of a $40M (or whatever), would it have been better or worse? If it did or did not have the same actors would it have been better or worse?
Posted by Kurt on February 17th, 2009He’s arguing that politics affect how and what movies get sometimes get made and how they are made, and i’m saying that what is to say if The Prestige (for example) was made another way if it would not have been better, and for the record, I adore The Prestige)
Hey Kurt,
First off, I know I’d mentioned you specifically in this rant, but just know it was not directed at you. Even if some of the points were taken from our comment-versation over at Row Three. And just to clarify, I know you can enjoy a popcorn movie. (Even if it kills you inside.
) Having said that:
“In response to Jay’s “Pelham Defense†(sounds like a movie in and of itself). Why call it Pelham123 at all?”
If it wasn’t called Pelham 123, we’d probably be talking about how Tony Scott’s new film is a rip off of Pelham 123. I think this is really where we get into a discussion of business and marketing, and it’s just not of any interest to me. I have no idea why John Carpenter’s Assault on Precinct 13 would be considered a worthy and profitable remake for a studio. Maybe they’re banking on the majority of people thinking it’s an original work? Who knows. I’m not really that interested in all of that. What’s of interest to me is the movie that has been made, not the studio’s reasons for having made it. Maybe Scott is just a huge fan and felt a need to tell this story himself?
I will be curious to see the response to Werner Herzog’s take on Bad Lieutenant. What’s the point in remaking THAT movie? I have no idea…but I do know that Werner Herzog will bring something interesting to the table, and that’s all I’m interested in.
“And what makes you think that The Prestige wouldn’t have been a better film without Nolan doing Batman? All these things are arbitrary. Aren’t they?”
I’m not saying it wouldn’t have been a better film, but it certainly wouldn’t have been the film we have now (a GREAT film). It’s even possible it wouldn’t have been a film at all. Of course, this is all presumptuous, but I do believe it. If this example doesn’t sit well, then just go back to Gus Van Sant’s blockbusters supporting his smaller films, or any of the other examples I mentioned. But I do think the Prestige is the best case seeing as two of his lead actors were pulled from Batman.
“I don’t hate it because it is a popcorn movie, I hate it because it reeks of a stale popcorn movie.”
Isn’t THAT a bit arbitrary and presumptuous? Your opinion is based on a 2 minute trailer. There’s hardly anything to chew on at this point. The only way to form an opinion is to hold up the little we’ve seen against the original and say ‘This is different, that’s different, this is the same’. For me, it’s a matter of holding the trailer up to Scott’s previous work and saying ‘This looks like classic Tony Scott. For me, classic Tony Scott=Happy.’
I don’t think Scott intends to compete with the original in any way. It’s just another take on the story. Plain and simple.
Having said all of that, I guess it’s just not your bag! Who knows, maybe it will be shit. But as a Tony Scott fan, I think I’ll reserve that judgment until I’m leaving the theatre.
Posted by Jay C. on February 17th, 2009film junk is being beaten by the MUGGLECAST on podcast alley. tighten it up, guys. jesus.
Posted by Joel on February 17th, 2009Unfortunately I’ve been having massive problems with the download — it reaches at most 44MB and then suddenly indicates the downlad as being done. I’ve been having this problem for the last few podcasts now …
Posted by Stefan on February 17th, 2009Jay, just if you are uncertain, “Waltz with Bashir” looks flash’ish because it actually is made in flash. I am not sure if the entire production is, but I do know that some is.
Posted by Kasper F. Nielsen on February 17th, 2009yeah there’s something screwy with the mp3. sean fix this. come on! this would never happen on the MUGGLECAST.
hey greg, little bit of trivia for you. “thank you for being a friend” aka the Golden Girls theme was actually written and recorded as a single by a California songwriter/session musician named Andrew Gold in the late ’70s. It was then used as the Golden Girls theme song. I’m assuming that’s the version you’re hearing on your soft-rock radio station, unless someone amazing dude has re-recorded it. The lyrics have some awesome/terrible lines such as “If it’s a car you lack / I would surely by you a cadillac” and the one about the biggest gift being from the singer are classic.
Oh, hey, isn’t this weird I even ##GRATUITOUS PLUG## included it on a Yacht Rock mix I made a few months back on my blog! Wow, the link to that is here: http://www.personadondada.com/?p=232. Isn’t that weird? Crazy!
Posted by Joel on February 17th, 2009I wiffle-waffle on Tony Scott. I like True Romance, The Hunger, and yes, Even Domino. But I think Enemy of the State, Top Gun and Man on Fire are shit. So it’s not a hate-on for Mr. Scott at all, but rather nobody wants to see innovators or the essentials of the genre (sub-genre) literally remade. As Heist/Hostage movies go, Pelham 123 is as classic as anything.
I wouldn’t want to see remakes of Citizen Cane, Casablanca or Bonnie & Clyde either. I don’t mind films that generally use the rules/tropes they lay down, but I do dislike borrowing the title and the character names and simply filming another script (See Die Hard 3 for a literal example of re-purposing a generic script into a franchise entry). But I’m getting off topic. The trailer certainly gives off the vibe that this thing is polished into oblivion yet not doing any of Mr. Scott’s crazy-wonky ‘avid-farts’ which can be endearing and headache inducing, but are at least reaching for something. Pelham 123 just “LOOKS” soulless, We’ll see when the film comes out. You say: “‘This looks like classic Tony Scott. For me, classic Tony Scott=Happy.’” which is also making a judgement on a 2 minute trailer. That is what trailers are for, for people to make judgements on. Can’t see everything.
All that being said. I too am very much looking forward to the Herzog “Bad Lieutenant” movie. It should be interesting indeed.
Posted by Kurt on February 17th, 2009Things always seem to get a bit bogged down on the first day after we put up a new episode. Maybe you guys should stop being so greedy and work out a download system. Even numbered houses download only on even numbered days? Try something like that.
Posted by Sean on February 17th, 2009I really like Days of Thunder, but I doubt Pelham 123 will have a score that’s anywhere near as awesome, to make the action interesting.
I have no relation to the original, but I think the concept is boring. And Travolta doesn’t cut it as the villain, it had to be some interesting actor in order to make me believe there would some good scenes in there. Denzel is fine like this, I loved him in Inside Man.
Posted by Henrik on February 17th, 2009@Sean
Never! I would rather kill myself!
Posted by Stefan on February 17th, 2009Because of the Pelham trailer I watched the original again yesterday. Damn fine film and Matthau is such a great character in it.
What is evident from the remake trailer is that they’ve ditched the disguised villains and they look just like regular ass tattooed villains. Kind of takes the mystery and the edge off.
And I have to say that I’m no fan of Tony Scott, his recent output has been crap and more epilepsy inducing than any of the recent “music video” directors film fans hate so much.
Posted by swarez on February 17th, 2009So Greg’s comment made me remember…
At the “Nick and Norah” premiere I was at back in September, Michael Cera was there for Q&A… and the best part about the whole thing was that he talks the exact way he acts. Which brings me to my point… what if, fellow Film Junkians, Michael Cera actually CAN’T ACT. Perhaps he is normally this way and they just roll the camera and he’s been raking it in ever since?
Hmm…
Posted by Falsk on February 17th, 2009What I meant by ‘Looks like classic Tony Scott’:
Less like Domino, Man on Wire, Deja Vu and more like Crimson Tide, True Romance, Revenge.
Posted by Jay C. on February 17th, 2009What about Days of Thunder Jay? Surely a great effort! The opening montage rocks my world, and Tom Cruise with the sun in the background driving on his motorcycle is the kind of awesome you don’t get anymore. It wouldn’t be charming now, now it’s Shia Lebouf bathed in sweat.
Posted by Henrik on February 17th, 2009Jay, I’m assuming you mean man on fire and not wire? I do that alot too.
Posted by Drew on February 17th, 2009Re: the Michael Cera stuff… we had the same experience at the Q&A for Paper Heart. What you see on screen is what you see in real life. I don’t have a problem with that (although the old ladies behind us on the bus afterward did). A lot of comedic actors make careers off of their own personality, I don’t know why everyone has to single him out.
Posted by Sean on February 17th, 2009Jay’s exclamation “Why can’t I THINK!” has been entered into the Film Junk pantheon. That was great.
Ahhh… anxiety/depression is such a funny thing. Especially when it’s accompanied by an infant-sized bladder.
Kidding, of course.
Posted by Jon Rocks on February 17th, 2009I loved when Jay was yelling at everyone. “Sean, just FUCKING look it up!” Are you guys ever going to play the voicemail I sent in?
Posted by Drew on February 18th, 2009Hey Jay, Waltz with Bashir IS in flash animation. It’s the first major feature to be done all with flash. Which is why it looks like flash… because it is.
Second, as I understand it, the whole movie was filmed (well, the interview parts) and then all that was just copied (not rotoscoped) separately into animation. Sort of like an artist who paints still life.
ok, back to the show….
Posted by Andrew James on February 18th, 2009wow, was I the only one thinking Jay was about to erupt like Christian Bale during that podcast. He had all the makings of going postal; antagonizing coworker, spastic bowel, fist fight with mother and sister…oh wait…
Posted by rus in chicago on February 18th, 2009Watching the video Sean looked visibly hurt when Jay told him to look up the “fucking” name.
Posted by Drew on February 18th, 2009Sean was really getting up in my craw that night. He’s lucky I didn’t knock his lights out on air.
Posted by Jay C. on February 18th, 2009God, I wish that would of happened. No offense Sean.
Posted by Drew on February 18th, 2009I’m with Jay on the Pelham 123 thing. I have no opinion (right now) about remakes in general. All I know is it is Tony Scott and I like everything he’s done and I’m excited for a new Tony Scott movie – which is what I said over at R3. Don’t lump me in with those idiots at that site.
Posted by Andrew James on February 18th, 2009I wonder if we could generate some revenue for Film Junk by having a pay-per-view boxing match with Jay vs me. Hell, let’s make it an Ultimate Fighting Challenge type of fight.
After I beat Jay, I’ll move on to the next director: Uwe Boll!
(I’ve never seen Jay and Sean get mad at each other. I think Jay’s ornery was a publicity stunt.)
Posted by Reed Farrington on February 18th, 2009whats your boxing nickname?
Posted by Goon on February 19th, 2009I don’t jump all over remakes at the drop of a hat (and don’t care about Pelham 123) but if I’m to believe Tony Scott’s imdb…his remake of The Warriors is the one that will truly set message boards afire!
Posted by Ryan M. on February 19th, 2009Just read the synopsis on Tony Scott’s The Warriors. Clearly, someone was having a good laugh.
Posted by Ryan M. on February 19th, 2009Reed, we already have a way to make film junk money; you wearing a headcam for a month and us watching an edited version of you sitting in your hovel, caressing your star trek toys, clipping coupons and eating rice with expired barbeque sauce topping.
Posted by rus in chicago on February 19th, 2009oh, and I say that with love…now do it!
Posted by rus in chicago on February 19th, 2009Reed, can you send me some money? It seems you have a lot to spare, and I don’t. I have given you moral support, now pay me!
Posted by Henrik on February 19th, 2009I haven’t seen the new Friday the 13th, but is the body maybe his mother? I remember in part III (or part II) there was a sort of shrine of his mother and the head was sitting on the shrine, detached from its body. But again, I haven’t seen the new one…
Also, this probably isn’t an interesting topic for a top 5, but Jay mentioned Anchor Bay more than once, and I was wondering what some of your favorite releases are from anchor bay..
Also, for the hell of it, do you have any favorites from Tokyo Shock, Something Weird, Synapse Films, Shriek Show, or Blue Underground?
Posted by Richard on February 20th, 2009Richard,
I will try to answer your question this Sunday on the Oscar show.
Jay
Posted by Jay C. on February 20th, 2009Leave a Reply