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	<title>Comments on: Treknobabble #43: We Come in Peace; Unfortunately, You Will Be Assimilated</title>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Henrik, about your statement concerning no one being coerced into joining the Federation, the Enterprise would only aid or protect planets that were a member of the Federation.&quot;

That&#039;s why I said unification has both its benefits and defecits Reed. The point is you&#039;re free to choose for yourself. Obviously working together with hundreds of planets will speed up your technology and help defend against enemies (and besides that, working together is such a romantic notion, who can resist it?), but you will probably have to compromise some of your self in the process. It is up to the individual government to judge wether or not it is worth it, and as such, I see nothing tyrannical about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Henrik, about your statement concerning no one being coerced into joining the Federation, the Enterprise would only aid or protect planets that were a member of the Federation.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I said unification has both its benefits and defecits Reed. The point is you&#8217;re free to choose for yourself. Obviously working together with hundreds of planets will speed up your technology and help defend against enemies (and besides that, working together is such a romantic notion, who can resist it?), but you will probably have to compromise some of your self in the process. It is up to the individual government to judge wether or not it is worth it, and as such, I see nothing tyrannical about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Farrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Farrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 05:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henrik, about your statement concerning no one being coerced into joining the Federation, the Enterprise would only aid or protect planets that were a member of the Federation. I believe real-life is like this as well. Star Wars: The Clone Wars makes use of this fact of life as well.

Matthew, thx for that clarification. I assume that info you provided is canon in that this stuff about The Treaty of Algeron was mentioned in an episode or movie.  It sounds familiar.  But it does seem stupid that the treaty allowed the Romulans to still use the cloak.  I betcha the treaty was negotiated by some cowardly Federation Ambassador who was always getting in Kirk&#039;s way. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henrik, about your statement concerning no one being coerced into joining the Federation, the Enterprise would only aid or protect planets that were a member of the Federation. I believe real-life is like this as well. Star Wars: The Clone Wars makes use of this fact of life as well.</p>
<p>Matthew, thx for that clarification. I assume that info you provided is canon in that this stuff about The Treaty of Algeron was mentioned in an episode or movie.  It sounds familiar.  But it does seem stupid that the treaty allowed the Romulans to still use the cloak.  I betcha the treaty was negotiated by some cowardly Federation Ambassador who was always getting in Kirk&#8217;s way. <img src='http://www.filmjunk.com/cms/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record: the Federation never used the cloak due to the signing of the Treaty of Algeron, in order to keep peace between the Federation and the Romulans (side note: this treaty also clearly defined the Romulan Neutral Zone and declared that any venture into the NZ by the Federation would be considered an act of war).

An amendment was added to the Treaty of Algeron that allowed a cloaking device permanently installed on the USS Defiant, though it was only to be used in the Gamma Quadrant.  This, naturally, was frequently ignored by Commander/Captain Sisko.

So. Yeah.  Clarification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record: the Federation never used the cloak due to the signing of the Treaty of Algeron, in order to keep peace between the Federation and the Romulans (side note: this treaty also clearly defined the Romulan Neutral Zone and declared that any venture into the NZ by the Federation would be considered an act of war).</p>
<p>An amendment was added to the Treaty of Algeron that allowed a cloaking device permanently installed on the USS Defiant, though it was only to be used in the Gamma Quadrant.  This, naturally, was frequently ignored by Commander/Captain Sisko.</p>
<p>So. Yeah.  Clarification.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought it was retarded that Kirk would bust up a civilization that he thought was operating the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was retarded that Kirk would bust up a civilization that he thought was operating the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may like Star Trek simply because I agree with the things it has to say though, you are right about that. I do think that greed is despicable, but I realize greedy people will think otherwise. One of the major things that took me by surprise with Star Trek when I first encountered it was all of these socialist notions, that I would never have expected to come from an american TV show. Like I have said many times, the fact that Jean-Luc Picard comes from an american TV show blows my mind, and just saddens me further when I see what they&#039;re putting out now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may like Star Trek simply because I agree with the things it has to say though, you are right about that. I do think that greed is despicable, but I realize greedy people will think otherwise. One of the major things that took me by surprise with Star Trek when I first encountered it was all of these socialist notions, that I would never have expected to come from an american TV show. Like I have said many times, the fact that Jean-Luc Picard comes from an american TV show blows my mind, and just saddens me further when I see what they&#8217;re putting out now.</p>
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		<title>By: Henrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember anybody being coerced into the Federation.

Unification has both benefits and defecits of course, but as long as people volunteer (I realize in TOS, things were alot more gung-ho, much more simple and far less interesting than in TNG) I find it hard to hold it against the union. As far as I know, people can resign from the Federation without quarrel as well. 

I think in TNG there are episodes in which human beings are exposed, and discover ideals that they did not anticipate. While it lacks the melodrama that you miss so much (You attribute this to Roddenberry knuckling down on scripts, I would also give credit to the superior writing staff + helpful viewers), it has much deeper thoughts about society than you give it credit for. One of my favourite episodes is The Drumhead, which deals with issues of modern society towards its citizens. Jean-Luc Picard obviously comes across as enlightened, but I don&#039;t think he is unrealistic, he is merely wise, well-tempered and intellectual. He realizes the moral dilemmas and the consequences of the easy ways out, that Kirk (or the TOS writers) never had the brain capacity to figure out, or even care about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember anybody being coerced into the Federation.</p>
<p>Unification has both benefits and defecits of course, but as long as people volunteer (I realize in TOS, things were alot more gung-ho, much more simple and far less interesting than in TNG) I find it hard to hold it against the union. As far as I know, people can resign from the Federation without quarrel as well. </p>
<p>I think in TNG there are episodes in which human beings are exposed, and discover ideals that they did not anticipate. While it lacks the melodrama that you miss so much (You attribute this to Roddenberry knuckling down on scripts, I would also give credit to the superior writing staff + helpful viewers), it has much deeper thoughts about society than you give it credit for. One of my favourite episodes is The Drumhead, which deals with issues of modern society towards its citizens. Jean-Luc Picard obviously comes across as enlightened, but I don&#8217;t think he is unrealistic, he is merely wise, well-tempered and intellectual. He realizes the moral dilemmas and the consequences of the easy ways out, that Kirk (or the TOS writers) never had the brain capacity to figure out, or even care about.</p>
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