Comments on: Is the Online Fan Community Over-Reacting to Indiana Jones 4? http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/ Blog And Podcast Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:49:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: RJ http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-482535 RJ Mon, 20 Oct 2008 18:49:07 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-482535 I just saw the movie, and i liked it, it's a history movie, thats why people don't understand it, it was around the time, with aliens and what not, the whole Red scare, i loved it, but then again, im a hostory buff lol I just saw the movie, and i liked it, it’s a history movie, thats why people don’t understand it, it was around the time, with aliens and what not, the whole Red scare, i loved it, but then again, im a hostory buff lol

]]> By: Paul http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-410083 Paul Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:52:23 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-410083 Man, I just thought the scene was a greaser sword fighting with a Communist. Man, I just thought the scene was a greaser sword fighting with a Communist.

]]> By: Jon Rocks http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-407174 Jon Rocks Fri, 30 May 2008 15:59:14 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-407174 Internet forum posters are notorious for their overuse of hyperbole. I disregard most of what I read. Except on this site, of course. Internet forum posters are notorious for their overuse of hyperbole. I disregard most of what I read.

Except on this site, of course.

]]> By: rot http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-407097 rot Fri, 30 May 2008 13:31:02 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-407097 Going on the purely execution criticism of the Indy 4 (again my problems with the film are not limited to this) There is a lack of architechtonic sense of space and geography in the jeep scene that Spielberg usually is a master of. The threading out of visual cues and the gradual development of increasing peril were not adequately pronounced. It was very much like a cartoon where background is zooming past in constant repetition and there is some immediate action going on, and none of the simultaneous action sequences felt well orchestrated in themselves, but also they didn't flow together in a way that was inventive or exciting or escalating. It was just silly, bouncing from vehicle to vehicle, no stakes, no danger, perhaps a nod to Buster Keaton, in which case I think it was a poor decision because that was the signature set-piece action sequence and it was too frivilous... not to say you cannot have comedy but in moderation. If you compare to the tank set-piece in Crusade or the Truck set-piece in Raiders you will see the difference, there is a delicate balance of comedy and peril in them that is never achieved in Skull. Going on the purely execution criticism of the Indy 4 (again my problems with the film are not limited to this)

There is a lack of architechtonic sense of space and geography in the jeep scene that Spielberg usually is a master of. The threading out of visual cues and the gradual development of increasing peril were not adequately pronounced. It was very much like a cartoon where background is zooming past in constant repetition and there is some immediate action going on, and none of the simultaneous action sequences felt well orchestrated in themselves, but also they didn’t flow together in a way that was inventive or exciting or escalating. It was just silly, bouncing from vehicle to vehicle, no stakes, no danger, perhaps a nod to Buster Keaton, in which case I think it was a poor decision because that was the signature set-piece action sequence and it was too frivilous… not to say you cannot have comedy but in moderation. If you compare to the tank set-piece in Crusade or the Truck set-piece in Raiders you will see the difference, there is a delicate balance of comedy and peril in them that is never achieved in Skull.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-407005 Henrik Fri, 30 May 2008 10:13:45 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-407005 And look how amazing it turned out. And look how amazing it turned out.

]]> By: swarez http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-407001 swarez Fri, 30 May 2008 10:10:56 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-407001 The thing most people seem to forget about Jurassic Park is that there is only about 6 minutes of CGI in the whole film. The rest is all physical effects by Stan Winston. The thing most people seem to forget about Jurassic Park is that there is only about 6 minutes of CGI in the whole film. The rest is all physical effects by Stan Winston.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406782 Kurt Fri, 30 May 2008 04:17:34 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406782 No Henrik, I call Hubris! :) No Henrik, I call Hubris! :)

]]> By: Henrik http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406766 Henrik Fri, 30 May 2008 03:36:56 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406766 I guess it's the word 'mature' in his praise that makes it sound like pedagogy for me. I guess it’s the word ‘mature’ in his praise that makes it sound like pedagogy for me.

]]> By: rot http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406758 rot Fri, 30 May 2008 03:27:55 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406758 Henrik I have no idea what you are talking about... so nobody can say something positive about a debate that is going on ?! Henrik I have no idea what you are talking about… so nobody can say something positive about a debate that is going on ?!

]]> By: rot http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406754 rot Fri, 30 May 2008 03:25:59 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406754 Yes but the CGI that is used is painfully obvious and flat. Henrik brought up Jurassic Park and that is a good example, seeing as this, for me, is a successful blockbuster, but also one that Spielberg worked on, and think of the mastery of the first T-Rex scene. Think of how unobtrusive that CGI was but also how it was threaded out...there was a real vehicle that had weight... the jeeps in the jungle never seem to have any sense of weight they are just part of the wash of colour. Different films sure, but there was a natural build-up to the T-Rex sequence that nothing in Indy 4 has... I believe Kurt made a similar point in the cinecast about how uncontrolled the jungle set-piece is, how it does not adhere to the Spielbergian tendency to ... for lack of a better word... thread out the action/suspense. Indy 4 has Star Wars prequel overload to the jeep scene, nearly Transformers-level clutter/silliness. And its not just the jeep scene but everything, and if it is not execution, its that the scene is thematically, narratively pointless/inadequate. Acting, CGI, story progression, editing, disrespect to that which it is being nostalgic about, it really is a perfect storm of ineptitude from where I stand. So it is genuine surprise that other people do like it and like it a lot. People can say with a straight face that, for example, Harrison Ford was just like the old Indy, or the spirit is the same. No hyperbole, just true astonishment. Yes but the CGI that is used is painfully obvious and flat. Henrik brought up Jurassic Park and that is a good example, seeing as this, for me, is a successful blockbuster, but also one that Spielberg worked on, and think of the mastery of the first T-Rex scene. Think of how unobtrusive that CGI was but also how it was threaded out…there was a real vehicle that had weight… the jeeps in the jungle never seem to have any sense of weight they are just part of the wash of colour. Different films sure, but there was a natural build-up to the T-Rex sequence that nothing in Indy 4 has… I believe Kurt made a similar point in the cinecast about how uncontrolled the jungle set-piece is, how it does not adhere to the Spielbergian tendency to … for lack of a better word… thread out the action/suspense. Indy 4 has Star Wars prequel overload to the jeep scene, nearly Transformers-level clutter/silliness. And its not just the jeep scene but everything, and if it is not execution, its that the scene is thematically, narratively pointless/inadequate. Acting, CGI, story progression, editing, disrespect to that which it is being nostalgic about, it really is a perfect storm of ineptitude from where I stand.

So it is genuine surprise that other people do like it and like it a lot. People can say with a straight face that, for example, Harrison Ford was just like the old Indy, or the spirit is the same. No hyperbole, just true astonishment.

]]> By: Henrik http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406747 Henrik Fri, 30 May 2008 03:10:28 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406747 It seems that you're on some sort of pediestal where you're either approving or disapproving of debates. We're all thinking beings here, and if people disagree with me on this feel free to say so, but I think we would all like to be treated as thinking beings untill we prove otherwise. It seems that you’re on some sort of pediestal where you’re either approving or disapproving of debates. We’re all thinking beings here, and if people disagree with me on this feel free to say so, but I think we would all like to be treated as thinking beings untill we prove otherwise.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/comment-page-2/#comment-406737 Kurt Fri, 30 May 2008 02:49:38 +0000 http://www.filmjunk.com/2008/05/27/is-the-fan-community-over-reacting-to-indiana-jones/#comment-406737 @Henrik, I certainly don't think it's a crime to pay compliments to a movie conversation forum that is informed enough not to devolve into a flame war, and people go out of their way to formulate and express the complexity of their thoughts. Seriously Dude, that is something to be fucking celebrated, and I'm going to let the moderators (even if I'm one of them at RowThree) know that I really appreciate it. I can't believe that this bothers you. To each their own, is this another cultural thing. I'll say clearly that 'to needlessly pat oneself and ones friends on the back' is very much in the Canadian Psyche, and to make self deprecating comments afterwards which both takes a piss at things, yet also underscores the former is also very Canadian. It's how were raised here; well most of us. @Henrik, I certainly don’t think it’s a crime to pay compliments to a movie conversation forum that is informed enough not to devolve into a flame war, and people go out of their way to formulate and express the complexity of their thoughts.

Seriously Dude, that is something to be fucking celebrated, and I’m going to let the moderators (even if I’m one of them at RowThree) know that I really appreciate it.

I can’t believe that this bothers you.

To each their own, is this another cultural thing. I’ll say clearly that ‘to needlessly pat oneself and ones friends on the back’ is very much in the Canadian Psyche, and to make self deprecating comments afterwards which both takes a piss at things, yet also underscores the former is also very Canadian.

It’s how were raised here; well most of us.

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