Download Film Junk Podcast for Dec. 30th, 2007
0:00-06:30 – Intro
06:30-20:50 – Stuff We Watched This Week
20:50-34:12 – Junk Mail
34:12-53:00 – Tangent on Camera Movement and Cinematography
53:00-1:06:48 – Junk Mail (continued)
1:06:48-1:26:00 – Review: Sweeney Todd
1:26:00-1:47:50 – Versus: Jackass vs Tom Green
1:47:50-2:00:30 – Trailer Trash
2:00:30-2:01:20 – This Week’s DVD Releases
2:01:20-2:04:20 – Outro
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I’m assuming my text message of “I’ll see the movie New Years Day and we can do the podcast that night” was not received in time.
Posted by Greg on December 31st, 2007Freddy Got Finger was a great goofy type movie. It is so over the top, you can’t help but laugh.
Posted by Baychuk on December 31st, 2007I think the other Ellen Page movie you’re thinking of might be “The Tracey Fragments;” A movie I’m really looking forward to.
I guarantee Juno will be up for best picture, though obviously won’t win.
Posted by Andrew James on December 31st, 2007Sorry Greg, I must have missed it. And we know how much you hate Reed sitting in for you!
Posted by Sean on December 31st, 2007In regards to the one junkmail: “Me and You and Everyone We Know” …. LOVE that movie. One of the best of 2005(?)
Also, I saw “Blood Car” at Toronto After Dark and was my second favorite film at the fest. A good watch – pretty funny and a smart script.
Kim Ki-Duk is a great Asian director. I saw 3-Iron and then rented SPring, Summer, Winter and Fall and I also Love that one as well. It’s beautifuly shot, but yes, for some it might be a little slow, but it’s in my top 100 of all time (and thre’s not a rape scene). But it’s gorgeous.
Posted by Andrew James on December 31st, 2007I’ll just keep going by myself…
Sweeney Todd: I pretty much disliked the whole thing. The songs are so bad. I agree with Jay that the music behind it is good, but the songs and lyrics and vocals are SO bland and flat lined – i.e. boring. The story itself is pretty damn cliche – or at least I feel like I’ve seen it before. I think it’s completely miscast and on the other hand I agree with Sean. It’s totally true to pure theatrical. Most of the film looks like a theater performance, like the whole thing is done on stage. And that’s fine, I just didn’t like it.
I can completely understand why someone might like the movie. But why it’s ending up on so many people’s top ten lists totally baffles me. Best picture? Why? WTF?
Thanks for making my work day today tolerable guys.
Posted by Andrew James on December 31st, 2007I can’t wait to see Sweeney Todd. I enjoy music. I can handle plot being sung instead of spoken. It’s like recitatives in an opera.
Posted by Henrik on December 31st, 2007We should boycott next week in honor of Greg!
Seriously though… Reed was actually pretty good this week. No Greg replacement, but he gets props for seeing “Spring Summer..”. Kim Ki-Duk is a great auteur, IMO. He gives a lot of food for thought on life and humanity. Not sure if I like Park Chan-Wook better or not.
One Missed Call is a Miike film (pronounced: MEE-KAY, I speak Japanese), but it’s not as crazy as the ones like Ichi the Killer. It was actually really good. I’m a fan of his work. As with any of these remakes, the US version looks like it will be bad. I’m always hoping it’s not, though!
I like Tom Green, too. His original show on MTV was great.
Posted by joe on December 31st, 2007Reed was better this week than normal.
Tom Green discussion is incomplete without mentioning the “New Tom Green Show” which was very well reviewed in its short run. The format of it was just fantastic, I always think of him telling off the guy who claims to own the moon.
I really liked Sweeney Todd. I agree the music itself isnt the best part of it, I just think its immensely entertaining and great to look at. Best picture? I dont think so at all, but I wouldnt be upset if it was nominated. And all this in spite of the fact I havent liked Burton for a while, and dont really like Depp or Carter that much.
Posted by Goon on December 31st, 2007You guys are on it, awesome. Have a good New Year.
Posted by Ian on December 31st, 2007Reed is a genius. It’s great to hear a Corner Gas fan on FJ. Now if Reed and Greg did a show together, it’d be a guy who likes Corner Gas, and a guy who looks like Brent Butt. Happy New Year!
Posted by deadpaul on December 31st, 2007Deadpaul: I take offense to the fact that you think I look like Brent Butt. He’s in his 40’s, has glasses and is balding. I share none of those traits.
Sean: I have no problems with Reed being on the show when I can’t make it or you ignore my text messages. As many people as there are that don’t like Reed I’m sure there are just as many that dislike what I bring to the show. It’s all good.
Posted by Greg on December 31st, 2007Ok, maybe you don’t look that much like Brent Butt, but your sense of humor reminds me of him. I think of it as a compliment. He’s one of the only Canadian comedians that I like, though the guy who plays his dad on Corner Gas is even funnier. Jay reminds me a lot of that character, their both very cranky. The main difference is that that guy calls everyone a jacka$$, while Jay calls everyone a c***ksucker. Very similar though.
Posted by deadpaul on January 1st, 2008I’d like to see an episode of FJ where you guys have a four person show, including Greg and Reed. The only possible problem I could see would be Reed driving Greg so crazy that Greg would body slam him. That might be podcast gold. Happy New Year guys. Greg, have fun stocking the shelves in the new year (just kidding).
…on a completely unrelated note – I played “Rock Band” for the first time tonight…
I hated it. The Rock Band guitar sucks, really annoying frets. The drums are fun for about an hour, and then becomes really boring. The game itself is way too easy, the songs seem selected for the benefit of group play so everyone knows the song, rather than the mix up of songs for strumming, riffing, etc including ones people may not know so well, and instrumental tracks in Guitar Hero
the characters in Rock Band are really bland as well. The excitement and fun just isnt there.
So after all this hype, I put myself firmly in the Guitar Hero camp now. I can imagine people plopping down 200 bucks for Rock Band want to convince themselves its the best game of the year or something, but for me, as a very very very casual gamer, I was extremely EXTREMELY unimpressed.
Posted by Goon on January 1st, 2008“The game itself is way too easy”
Try ‘Foreplay/Longtime’ on expert on drums and you might retract this statement.
Posted by Jay C. on January 1st, 2008Deadpaul……please tell me you like “Puppets Who Kill”. It has to be the Canadian darkhorse in television. If you like dark humour, you’ll appreciate this fine program.
Posted by Baychuk on January 1st, 2008I actually dislike video games a lot. Probably because I was never really good at them, but I do enjoy Guitar Hero and I did enjoy Rockband. I believe that Rockband should only be played with four people. That’s what makes it fun. I can’t imagine it’s too easy…I had a tough time playing the bass lines on the easy level. The only thing I didn’t like about Rockband is the vocals. It’s based more on mimicking the original phrasing than it is about pitch. You can talk the words out like a robot and get 100%.
Posted by Greg on January 1st, 2008well Jay, I take it back about the drums, even on easy the drums arent so easy. The problem though is after a short time they’re also not fun.
I played with a party room full of people who both know music and can play Guitar Hero pretty well. Anyone who veered out of ‘easy’ on drums was failing, and anyone playing on easy was complaining that they were bored. I hated doing the vocals for the same reason Greg did.
And yes, the guitar is just way way way too easy. I was playing songs on medium that played easier than they would on ‘easy’ in Guitar Hero.
Playing in group its also not as easy to pick up your part of the song and whether or not you’re hitting it right.
Even when I wasnt playing, watching the buttons didnt have the strangely hypnotic effect on me GH does, and again, the characters and background images absolutely stink. I will be turning down all ‘Rock Band’ parties in the future.
Posted by Goon on January 1st, 2008heres an analogy for Greg that he will enjoy
If Guitar Hero is 1998 WWF, then Rock Band is 2000 WCW – all that blatant potential, but all the current essential details to make it worthwhile are wrong.
Posted by Goon on January 1st, 2008It sounds like the difficulty levels just weren’t right for your group of friends Goonie. Guitar is definitely a bit easier in Rock Band, but I think that’s just to balance out the other instruments.
I agree the game would get pretty boring if all you do is play guitar on medium and drums on easy, because you don’t even feel like you’re really playing the song. For me, drums in the medium to hard range is pretty damn fun and engaging.
Overall though, I think multiplayer Rock Band absolutely blows Guitar Hero out of the water. Just the fact that you can have such people with such a wide variety of skill levels playing together and having fun is a major plus.
Posted by Sean on January 1st, 2008Andrew: Glad to hear I’m not completely on my own when it comes to Sweeney Todd. I realize in retrospect my review may have sounded like I wasn’t that impressed with it just because I don’t really like musicals, which isn’t quite the case. I think I went in with an open mind, but it wasn’t as fun as I was expecting it to be. That said, I did still give it a thumbs up.
Posted by Sean on January 1st, 2008if we were having fun it would have been a major plus.
this ‘unveiling’ was a NYE party full of Guitar Hero maniacs, and only the people who owned it (who happen to be the only people i’d call ‘hardcore gamers’ there) were having a great time – everyone else was pretty sick of it pretty quick. i mean, we all wanted a turn at each instrument for a couple songs, but then it all pretty much died.
I have to be honest that I had a bias going in, that I really dont care to hear my close friends sing in a cramped room, especially not “Creep” which during the bridge feels like you’re watching someone naked. But I can just sit in front of my TV and zone out for hours playing even the shitty bonus songs on Guitar Hero – on Rock Band on medium its too easy and i’m bored, on Hard its just difficult enough for me to focus on, and I dont pay attention to what anyone else is doing. So if theres supposed to be a ’shared experience’ from playing it, I have to say it wasnt being felt in the room.. we might as well have had a karaoke machine. I think the most fun we had was changing the lyrics on every song to “Robert Goulet”
ugh. I mean, I’m sure theres a zillion career modes and downloadables and all these little things hardcore gamers go nuts for, but in both the party experience and the individual play I really don’t think it holds a candle to the care and character that Guitar Hero has. On the ‘technical’ side again my big complaint is that the Rock Band guitar is awful.
Posted by Goon on January 1st, 2008I love Rock Band, but I am a hardcore gamer as well. I do think the two are mutually exclusive as there are plenty of casuals into RB. GH 3 had too much style and not enough substance. Don’t even get me started on friggin’ “Raining Blood” on Expert. Fuck that song!
I won’t say Rock Band is flawless. Far from it. Playing the same songs ad naseum in Band World Tour is boring and reeks of EA capitalism. (Want to play more songs in BWT? Buy our shit!) My guitar finally broke but the process to have exchanged was not only easy, I’m getting a free game out of the deal. You can’t beat that kind of customer service with a plastic peripheral. Plus, though I just bitched about it, they are committed to weekly DLC and if they keep throwing Radiohead and Weezer my way I will happily pay.
If you don’t like it, fine. It’s like if you don’t like Sondheim musicals, you won’t like Sweeney Todd. No biggie. That may seem a little too calm and non-reactionary from me, but it’s been pretty well established in the gaming community that there are two camps. I don’t take an elitist attitude about it; I save that for my WoW sessions. (Roll Horde and the terrorists win!)
Seriously, if your friend is having guitar issues he needs to visit this site:
http://support.ea.com/cgi-bin/ea.cfg/php/enduser/rockband.php
They sent me the box via UPS with prepaid back to them. The free game comes from the delay, but my drums and mic work fine so no worries. Plus, FREE GAME!
Also, “Creep” happens to be one of the few songs in the game I can perform on Expert and come close to hitting 100%. N-O-T A-S-H-A-M-E-D.
Posted by Dave on January 1st, 2008Man who cares about Guitar Hero or Rock Band? Super Mario Bros. 3, Chrono Trigger and F-Zero is still where it’s at!
Posted by Henrik on January 1st, 2008to show just how casual a gamer I am, here’s where I admit I’ve never played Chrono Trigger, or for that matter, a single Zelda game – ever.
the most advanced system I own myself is PS2 – I’ve never ever played online, dont think i can anyways since I have the ’slim’ PS2, and dont even want to. For the most part I just dont get gaming. The only other games I was ever really into were the Smackdown games, but they went and fucked those up royally too, reducing the create a character mode to a shell of its former self and changing the controls to this annoying new format. I didnt even buy the new one and it was selling at over half the price i paid for the other ones.
Posted by Goon on January 1st, 2008I do agree that the Rock Band guitar is not as comfortable to play as the Guitar Hero guitars, although it feels more like a real replica.
Posted by Sean on January 1st, 2008Fuck it Goon play Chrono Trigger now. That game rules so insanely much. Could be the best video game ever made.
Posted by Henrik on January 1st, 2008I kind of avoided Rock Band because i just considered it a rip-off of Gutair Hero
Posted by Drew on January 1st, 2008Well Rock Band is made by the same people as Guitar Hero, so if anything, Guitar Hero III is the rip-off because it’s made by a different company than the first two (same publisher though, they own the rights to the name).
I think they’re both good in their own way. Guitar Hero concentrates on doing what it does best, and Rock Band adds something new to the experience (with a bigger price tag of course).
Posted by Sean on January 1st, 2008i really just don’t understand the whole singing thing, is that feature any good?
Posted by Drew on January 1st, 2008Final Fantasy VI > Chrono Trigger
Posted by Primal on January 1st, 2008No way man! I never got into any of the Final Fantasy games, not III, not VI and not VII. But Chrono Trigger grabbed me by the balls and did not let go, ever. And I mean that literally, I still play it once a year. At least.
Posted by Henrik on January 1st, 2008Well I did love Chrono Trigger too, but I found the multiple endings just plain gimmicky once you know everything you have to do to get the best ending. I played all the RPGs out there back in the day and nothing comes close to FFIII(US title)/FFVI(Jap). It’s the story and the music of FFVI that’ll totally keep you captivated the whole way through. Give it a try Henrik, its still as good on ROM format.
Posted by Primal on January 1st, 2008I did give it a try and I felt nothing, I’m sorry to say. The music of Chrono Trigger is utterly unparalleled though.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RNUYwRnnMJs
Posted by Henrik on January 1st, 2008I really love the music from the Halo series. Just something about the combination of “themes” (ancient/futuristic/ambient,etc) just makes it very inspiring to me.
Posted by Baychuk on January 1st, 2008Nobuo Uematsu’s work on FFVI is regarded as one of the best music/score soundtracks in videogame history, but I am not going to take away any brilliance he showed in Chrono Trigger or any of the other games he worked on. The man is a genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XD78u6Vmt4
This vid owns yours.
Posted by Primal on January 1st, 2008If there’s no good movies to watch this week, you guys should do another Defense Force
Posted by joe on January 1st, 2008Primal are you kidding me? There are tons of CT music played on Mario Paint on youtube as well. I much prefer the actual orchestrations. Here is another badass video for you: http://youtube.com/watch?v=afB6OVKND9k
Man I could go on forever about Chrono Trigger. I actually wrote a little something about it here: http://no-kids.blogspot.com/2007/06/tradition-worth-upholding.html
Posted by Henrik on January 1st, 2008Guys, you have to watch the original FUNNY GAMES (which is an Austrian-German co-production and in German language). It’s probably comparable to IRRÉVERSIBLE, it will really push you to the edge of your seats! However, most people hate the movie, because they are of the opinion that director Michael Haneke wants to instruct us in the morals department — and does this in an extremely unsubtly way.
Posted by Grammaton Cleric on January 2nd, 2008Henrik, yeah the guy who made the mario paint music for that one also do some sweet CT music too. The orchestral music from ff6 arent really on par as say, the CT main theme, but there are many FF songs that top it from other FF games. Anyway, I read your post and again, I have to disagree.
Mario Kart>F-Zero, but only by a slim margin. If F-Zero was 2-player, it would have best racing game on snes. F-Zero on GC kicked ass. We agree on thing thing though, we both think highly of starcraft. What are your thoughts about starcraft 2 man? I’m personally going to get back into rts gaming when it comes out
Posted by Primal on January 2nd, 2008Oh fuck I am excited beyond belief for StarCraft 2. 10 years man, I can’t believe how the world has survived.
Posted by Henrik on January 2nd, 2008I can’t wait until you guys watch the original Funny Games and then re-watch the trailer for the new English version again. Hell, if you want, go to IMDb and watch the trailers for the original and the remake back to back. They literally look like the exact same movie shot for shot. I would even go so far as to say that the remake looks like it’s filmed in the same location as the original. The same director directing the same movie in the same place with the same shots and presumably all the same situations and dialogue? Why not just dub the original in English and re-release it? I obviously haven’t seen the remake yet and I’m not even a huge fan of the original who is afraid of the new soiling the original’s name, but I’ve got to wonder why a remake is even being made. It doesn’t look like a new interpretation, and it’s certainly not the same film through the eyes of a different director, so what’s the point? Watch the two trailers and you’ll see what I mean.
Posted by Rian on January 3rd, 2008I’m a HUGE Stephen Sondheim fan and I have to tell you that if most Stephen Sondheim fans hear you say that “he sounds like Andrew Lloyd Webber”, you’re gonna have you asses handed to you. I haven’t seen the film yet. It won’t open in my part of the world until next week but I have heard the music from the film and knowing the entire thing from left to right, top to bottom and watching the filmed performance of the play on DVD three times, I would say they did an excellent job.
Posted by Irvin on January 8th, 2008Like any other art form, I think there’s subtle differences that only true fans are capable of noticing. Comparing Stephen Sondheim to Andrew Lloyd Webber is probably broad and uninformed, but it’s a statement coming from someone who’s seen one live musical EVER. (That one being Phantom of the Opera of course!) I can totally respect the fact that anyone with any sort of knowledge in this area are more than capable of pointing one difference between Sondheim and Webber.
To me, it’s like asking your parents to explain the difference between white metal and black metal, punk and hardcore, death metal and thrash metal. To them, it all just sounds like noise.
Posted by Jay C. on January 9th, 2008What is white metal?
Posted by Henrik on January 9th, 2008Black metal with Christian undertones.
Posted by Jay C. on January 9th, 2008I guess it’s not appropriate for christians to be black.
Posted by Henrik on January 9th, 2008As for your comments that the music wasn’t “memorable” enough, well, I don’t blame you. There’s a reason why Stephen Sondheim has only produced one breakout pop hit in his entire career (That’s “Send in the Clowns”) outside of his lyrics only work in “West Side Story”. His songs have very sophisticated, complex, lyrics based melodies and most of his songs generally don’t work out of context of the show they’re from. It also doesn’t help that he picks really austere, really artsy subject matter (his other musicals include “Sunday in the Park with George” which is about a painting and “Assassins” a surreal, darkly comedic musical about presidential assassins) His shows also don’t run as long as Andrew Lloyd Webber’s.
However, Stephen Sondheim has a very loyal and devout cult following (among his fans include JOSS WHEDON, TREY PARKER and KEVIN SMITH) who really, really, REALLY love his music and his shows. Unlike Andrew Lloyd Webber, Stephen Sondheim doesn’t really care all that much about having a breakout pop hit in any of his shows.
Saying Andrew Lloyd Webber’s (he did “Phantom”) music is better is like saying you prefer Michael Bay to Orson Welles in filmspeak. Or saying you prefer N’Sync to Radiohead in musicspeak.
Posted by Irvin on January 10th, 2008Hey Irvin,
I don’t believe I said Webber’s music was better. I said I dislike both.
However, I did say I really like the orchestral backing behind the songs.
Posted by Jay C. on January 10th, 2008That’s probably because one of Sondheim’s many influences for the “Sweeney Todd” score is Bernard Herrmann (the guy who wrote the score to many Hitchcock films).
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Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008Oh and I do seem to recall one of you guys saying you prefer Andrew Lloyd Webber’s music or that Andrew Lloyd Webber’s music was better or something like they both sound the same.
I’m as big a film buff as you guys. I also find it frustrating when people shun a film because it’s in black & white and/or subtitled. I find it doubly frustrating when self-proclaimed film buffs shun the musical genre. No other genre takes more abuse and ridicule than the musical.
Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008Well that’s a shitty analogy. Black/White or subtitled films aren’t a genre, whereas musical is. They all follow specific conventions and adhere to the same rules, only the subject matter changes within the structure. So it’s fair for somebody to say they just don’t like it when the dialogue is being sung for no other reason than to hear a song. But it is NOT okay for somebody to say they dislike all Black/White, subtitled or silent films, because they are as different as oranges and geologists.
Posted by Henrik on January 11th, 2008Irvin,
I may have said that Webber and Sondheim’s music sounds the same TO ME, someone who’s not a fan of musicals and couldn’t really elaborate on the subtle difference between certain broad way composers. That’s not to say that someone like yourself, who enjoys the musical, can’t tell the difference. I think I touched on this in my previous post regarding white metal vs. black metal and so on.
As for your analogy, I’d have to agree with Henrik that it’s not a very good one. You can have both colour AND black and white musicals and there will be people who will not like them simply because they are musicals, not because of their technical presentation.
Posted by Jay C. on January 11th, 2008Let mee compare it with something more apt: Science-fiction, horror and fantasy. Why do you sci-fi/fantasy/horror fans can easily suspend disbelief on stories about people with superhuman strength who fly, aliens from another planet fighting each other, ghosts who come out of the TV, etc. but you get turned off in disbelief every time people in musicals sing and dance? I believe one of the reasons for this is that musicals nowadays are associated with homosexuality.
This is why most straight males (who compose majority of the film audience) close themselves off to musicals. Any musical is stupid and “gay”. Liking musicals is gay. Liking showtunes is gay. I can’t help but wonder what percentage of self-professed film geeks who turn a blind eye towards musicals do so because of their own latent homophobia?
Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008Irvin,
I have no problem suspending my disbelief when it comes to musical numbers in movies. One of my favourite scenes in film is the musical interlude in Rio Bravo, which is way ‘gayer’ than johnny depp slitting throats.
I just don’t like broad way musicals. It’s as simple as that.
I really don’t understand how you just can’t fathom the idea of someone not liking musicals. It MUST be because they are latent homosexuals, right? That’s even worse than your black and white analogy.
Posted by Jay C. on January 11th, 2008If you don’t like musicals, fine. Not everyone’s gonna like everything but my point is no other genre gets more hatred than musicals. There’s a huge difference between “I hate” and “not a fan”.
I didn’t say that you’re a latent homoSEXUAL if you hate/shun musicals, I’m saying you’re a latent homoPHOBE. I’m sure there are at least a few straight guys out there who avoid musicals like the plague because they’re afraid to like it. They subconsciously fear that liking musicals will make them gay. It also doesn’t help that most mainstream films and TV shows almost always depict a gay male character as a lover of musicals.
Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008You’re a fucking asshole. Guilt by association may work in your little social-group where everybody agrees, but saying that somebody is an unadmitted homophone because they don’t sung dialogue is fucking ridiculous. Get out of your high-school world and join the rest of us Irvin.
Posted by Henrik on January 11th, 2008Irvin, I will agree that some guys probably don’t give musicals a chance because they are homophobic. For us personally, however, I can definitely say that this is not the case. I think it has more to do not liking the music itself, or the types of stories being told in them. I like to think I can appreciate the art that goes into making a musical, but personally I just don’t get much out if it.
I went into Sweeney Todd knowing it was a musical, and that I generally don’t find musicals all that interesting, but I was still hoping that I would like it. I said in the review that I still want to see Across the Universe, and I am also interested in Once. I’m not going to write off an entire genre, but it doesn’t change the fact that my personal taste leans away from it.
Posted by Sean on January 11th, 2008I never said EVERYONE who doesn’t like musicals is like that. I said AT LEAST A FEW who actively HATE them are.
The musical is probably the most maligned movie genre. Personally I don’t think it deserves it. I love the musical as much as any film genre. You have no idea how many self-proclaimed film lovers I’ve encountered in both message boards and in real life who flat-out refuse to even see “Singin’ in the Rain” or “The Wizard of Oz”. Hearing reports of walk-outs within the first half-hour of “Sweeney Todd” and people laughing during the singing parts pisses me off.
I think film lovers should be open to ALL film genres up to and including the musical. Even if you don’t like a genre, there should be at least one or two movies of that genre that you like (or even love) and be open-minded enough to check out the best of what that genre can offer.
Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008Irvin,
May I remind you that I gave Sweeney Todd a 3 out of 4?
One second you say it’s fine if I don’t like musicals because not everyone is going to like everything, then the next second you say the reason I don’t like musicals is because i’m a latent homophobe.
Does the fact that I’m wearing a Trading Spaces shirt win me any points? Afterall, ONLY latent homosexuals watch interior decorating shows right?
Posted by Jay C. on January 11th, 2008“I didn’t say that you’re a latent homoSEXUAL if you hate/shun musicals, I’m saying you’re a latent homoPHOBE.”
How am I supposed to interpret this? I don’t mind musicals to the point where I go in expecting to be bothered by the singing, but I do agree that alot of the ‘films’ based on broadway musicals suck balls. The songs don’t hold up when you’re not watching the live performance. And most of the movie musicals, like say, Meet Me In St. Louis, were made in a time where alot of stuff was annoying, not only the songs.
In general, any audience just has problems accepting unexplained behavior. If somebody decides to kill somebody else, you always look for something to explain this, and the same when somebody starts to sing. On the stage the singing is a show, in a movie there is already a show going on. Music is already a part of every movie (whereas the musicals on stage work as counterpoints to traditional plays) and taped performances to lip-synching have nowhere near the same effect as a live performance.
I can’t wait to see Sweeney Todd though. As long as there are a few good melodies in there, I’m sure I will love it. Even though Johnny Depp sounds like he’s struggling to sing the simplest tune.
Posted by Henrik on January 11th, 2008>>One second you say it’s fine if I don’t like musicals because not everyone is going to like everything, then the next second you say the reason I don’t like musicals is because i’m a latent homophobe.<<
I never said YOU specifically. I was talking about other people I’ve met on-line.
Posted by Irvin on January 11th, 2008“I didn’t say that you’re a latent homoSEXUAL if you hate/shun musicals, I’m saying you’re a latent homoPHOBE.”
Sorry, guess I misunderstood that?
Posted by Jay C. on January 11th, 2008Either way, there’s no denying there’s people out there that think musicals are ‘gay’. I’m just not one of them. I don’t like them for different reasons.
For me, musicals are like anime. I have yet to really come across one I’ve really liked, but i’m open to the idea.
Posted by Jay C. on January 11th, 2008I meant ‘you’ as a general term. Not ‘you’ specifically ‘you’.
Posted by Irvin on January 12th, 2008I saw Sweeney Todd and I think it fucking rules. Insanely hilarious. I had forgotten how much humour there is in Tim Burtons films. Amazing. I didn’t have a problem with people singing instead of talking, not much of a difference to me.
I think Sacha Baron Cohen should have been nominated for an Oscar.
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