Comments on: Garden State http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/ Blog and Podcast Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:41:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: trent http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-8984 trent Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:06:44 +0000 http://209.123.84.9/spacejunk/2004/08/24/garden-state/#comment-8984 the answer to a} is no but your thinking too literly his dream was a forshadowing the incident. the experiences he had on his trip home changed his desteny from going to die in the plane crash to not dieing in the plane crash. Zach is not depressed in the second scene because he is not on medication in the second scene and he has had a life changing experience coming home. in the bathtub scene at the end of the movie he finaly opens up and says he finaly feels as if he is at home. B} no he is not sitting in the same seet because dreams are different than reality (when scenes dont match eachother it is conconsidered discontinuity editing). c} no they are not the same people. but the reason you are suppost to belive that the plane is going to crash because you hear the fasten your seet belt and it is the exact same shot from the first scene to the second scene. When you hear that ding you are suppost to recall to the beginging. the answer to a} is no but your thinking too literly his dream was a forshadowing the incident. the experiences he had on his trip home changed his desteny from going to die in the plane crash to not dieing in the plane crash. Zach is not depressed in the second scene because he is not on medication in the second scene and he has had a life changing experience coming home. in the bathtub scene at the end of the movie he finaly opens up and says he finaly feels as if he is at home. B} no he is not sitting in the same seet because dreams are different than reality (when scenes dont match eachother it is conconsidered discontinuity editing). c} no they are not the same people. but the reason you are suppost to belive that the plane is going to crash because you hear the fasten your seet belt and it is the exact same shot from the first scene to the second scene. When you hear that ding you are suppost to recall to the beginging.

]]> By: jackson http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-3869 jackson Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://209.123.84.9/spacejunk/2004/08/24/garden-state/#comment-3869 I really want to comment further on the ending of this film so if you don't want it spoiled then don't read any further. Moving from that the ending did feel like it felt pressure from Hollywood, but at the same time would have been sort of pointless if it ended with Large leaving to figure out his life on his own. It seems like he barely had a life before and he would have been going back to nothing and leaving behind perhaps one of the true joys he had ever experienced in his life that being Portman. The ending was great, not a crier but fucking gorgeous all the same. I really want to comment further on the ending of this film so if you don’t want it spoiled then don’t read any further. Moving from that the ending did feel like it felt pressure from Hollywood, but at the same time would have been sort of pointless if it ended with Large leaving to figure out his life on his own. It seems like he barely had a life before and he would have been going back to nothing and leaving behind perhaps one of the true joys he had ever experienced in his life that being Portman. The ending was great, not a crier but fucking gorgeous all the same.

]]> By: Goon http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-3870 Goon Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://209.123.84.9/spacejunk/2004/08/24/garden-state/#comment-3870 SPOILER it works for me because it ties bck to the begininng of the film with the plane crash. In the first one, he's so numbed by the drugs and his life that he doesnt care. He's changed enough over the course of the film that by the end he's definitely NOT numb and is capable of making such a choice based on emotions. it works. SPOILER

it works for me because it ties bck to the begininng of the film with the plane crash. In the first one, he’s so numbed by the drugs and his life that he doesnt care.

He’s changed enough over the course of the film that by the end he’s definitely NOT numb and is capable of making such a choice based on emotions. it works.

]]> By: Ivan http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-3871 Ivan Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://209.123.84.9/spacejunk/2004/08/24/garden-state/#comment-3871 MORE SPOILER*** What if the ending is not upbeat and happy. I think that as he thinks he learns how short life can be, he is in the plane crash from the beginning. Ultimately he got on the plane and left. The ending is Sam being her cumpulsive lying self, this time making her life more liveable by imagining his return. The phone booths and over the top acting by Zach at the end makes this explaination plausable. Also, the beginning plane crash was a flight FROM Newark. Thoughts?? MORE SPOILER***

What if the ending is not upbeat and happy. I think that as he thinks he learns how short life can be, he is in the plane crash from the beginning. Ultimately he got on the plane and left. The ending is Sam being her cumpulsive lying self, this time making her life more liveable by imagining his return. The phone booths and over the top acting by Zach at the end makes this explaination plausable. Also, the beginning plane crash was a flight FROM Newark. Thoughts??

]]> By: Jeff Vandegrift http://www.filmjunk.com/2004/08/24/garden-state/comment-page-1/#comment-3872 Jeff Vandegrift Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://209.123.84.9/spacejunk/2004/08/24/garden-state/#comment-3872 MORE SPOILER - Figuring out the proper context for the first scene (the plane about to crash) within the rest of the movie is how I spend my waking hours these days... Large's expression (not panicking, but intensely "into it", whatever "it" is) struck me as absolutely the same in BOTH the airplane scenes. This raised the question if the first airplane scene is simply out of order and that the viewer needs to decide where to displace the first scene to. If you were to take the first scene and insert it in the end, between the scene where he takes his seat on the plane and where he is in an ethereal baggage claim area bathed in a heavenly light (my description)... Then you have a very different ending. E.g. ... 1) He died in a plane crash leaving Newark and his heaven is getting to get back together with Sam. 2) He is about to die in a plane crash and in his mind he is imagining a different outcome, one in which he gets back together with Sam. The phone in the back of the seat in front of him is his last hope of connecting with Sam and he stares at it quite intensely. My questions are the following regarding the two airplane scenes: A) Is Zach dressed identically in both scenes? B) Is Zach sitting in exactly the same spot in both scenes? C) Are the people around Zach the same people in both scenes? If the answer to all of these is yes, then the two scenes have to be part of the same event, a single and fateful plane ride out of Newark. Without a willingness to investigate the meaning of the first airplane scene, the ending is either "too Hollywood" (and out of character with the rest of the film), or "too Heavenly" to be real. Please post answers if you have them, I'm dying to know one way or the other. MORE SPOILER -

Figuring out the proper context for the first scene (the plane about to crash) within the rest of the movie is how I spend my waking hours these days…

Large’s expression (not panicking, but intensely “into it”, whatever “it” is) struck me as absolutely the same in BOTH the airplane scenes. This raised the question if the first airplane scene is simply out of order and that the viewer needs to decide where to displace the first scene to.

If you were to take the first scene and insert it in the end, between the scene where he takes his seat on the plane and where he is in an ethereal baggage claim area bathed in a heavenly light (my description)… Then you have a very different ending. E.g. …

1) He died in a plane crash leaving Newark and his heaven is getting to get back together with Sam.

2) He is about to die in a plane crash and in his mind he is imagining a different outcome, one in which he gets back together with Sam. The phone in the back of the seat in front of him is his last hope of connecting with Sam and he stares at it quite intensely.

My questions are the following regarding the two airplane scenes:

A) Is Zach dressed identically in both scenes?
B) Is Zach sitting in exactly the same spot in both scenes?
C) Are the people around Zach the same people in both scenes?

If the answer to all of these is yes, then the two scenes have to be part of the same event, a single and fateful plane ride out of Newark.

Without a willingness to investigate the meaning of the first airplane scene, the ending is either “too Hollywood” (and out of character with the rest of the film), or “too Heavenly” to be real.

Please post answers if you have them, I’m dying to know one way or the other.

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